Two-strike strikeouts, three-ball walks, and other counting failures | Dorktown

13 Th02, 2021
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Have you ever tried counting to four? It’s a skill that’s almost impossible to master, and baseball players and umpires find it as difficult as the rest of us do. In this episode of Dorktown, we’re examining the dozens of times that everyone on the baseball diamond has gotten the count wrong.
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  • The intro is the best intro that's ever been introduced.

    Jake FollensbeeJake FollensbeeNgày trước
  • seems like their may be some sort of peer pressure thing going on here. Pitcher and batter both forget the count, umpire makes the wrong call, and then the rest of the team and broadcast crew just goes along with it because they assume that the count they had in their heads must have been wrong, because there could be no way that the pitcher, batter, and umpire would all screw it up.

    Adar MarcusAdar Marcus2 ngày trước
  • Today the Reds’ Kyle Farmer reached base twice in one inning without a hit or walk. I feel like this is historic.

    Game BusterGame Buster2 ngày trước
  • One instance I didn’t see here, but remember watching it live was in 1988 or 1989 (I’m pretty sure it was 1988) in Chicago, with the Cubs hosting the Pirates in a Saturday afternoon nationally broadcast game (I believe it was ABC). This was an important game, because both the Cubs (then managed by Don Zimmer) and the Pirates (then managed by Jim Leyland) were in the old NL East, and were contending for the Division Championship. Eric Gregg was the plate umpire, and John Kibler was the crew chief. I can’t remember the names of the other umpires, but all four lost track of the count, and of course there was no recourse to replay. I’m not certain even the broadcast was able to replay the at-bat. But both managers and teams knew something was wrong, as the crew gathered to try to figure out the count. They eventually ruled in the Cubs favor, because I DO remember Jim Leyland doing a twenty minute tirade, and none of the umpires tossed him. They knew they screwed up, one way or the other, and none of them had a ball/strike indicator (I looked closely at the longest mistake here, with the replay, and the plate umpire did have one in his left hand). I don’t remember if they checked with the official scorer, who would be in the press box, but if they did, the broadcasters didn’t mention it. What makes it stand out was that unlike most of the incidents you showed, the managers were paying attention, and there were long conversations with both team managers, and while neither were pleased, Leyland was justifiably furious. I wasn’t recording the game, so I have no tape, but as this was an important game, and was nationally broadcast, it’s likely that someone (especially in Chicago or Pittsburgh) has a copy. (I’m in Massachusetts, so I’m not a fan of either team). Anyway, it’s an incident which might stir your interest, and I wish I had more information and a better memory. I did do some umpiring myself many years ago, and I did have this happen once. It was during an American Legion game (16-18 year olds). I had an indicator, and what happened was a slow rolling ground ball that went up the third base line, almost to the bag, before it rolled foul. As there were only two umpires, as plate umpire, I had to make that call, and after, couldn’t remember whether I had clicked the indicator or not. I signaled to my partner, basically asking for the count. I was told there were two strikes. This was not correct, but neither players nor coaches said anything. So it wound up being a two strike strikeout. After that inning, my partner informed me what the count really had been. Needless to say, I wasn’t thrilled, but he stated that he would have given the correct count had the coach caught my error and complained. I’ve felt a little bad about it, as I believe it’s our job to get the calls right. Honest mistakes do happen, but I wouldn’t do that to a partner or a team. That doesn’t mean that I never made mistakes. We’re human, and that’s going to happen. But that was the only time I ever got the count wrong, though I wish my partner had corrected me. In that long incident in the video (with the crew checking with replay) my guess is that the omission happened on that fourth pitch, with the ball headed right for the umpire’s face, before the catcher knocked the ball away, inadvertently blocking the umpire’s view (which led to the incorrect foul ball call). He likely forgot to turn his ball/strike indicator, and that was how that started. But the other umpires should be using an indicator themselves, as a backup. That is how we were trained, and we RARELY had four crew members. It was usually two, and sometimes only one. Anyway, very interesting video. You would think that the coaching staffs would be on top of this, especially in an era where they keep such close watch on the pitch count of every pitcher. But the other umpires really should be backing up the plate umpire (the busiest position) on the count. With four crew members, there’s just no excuse, regardless of how unimportant a game may be. Of course, at the major league level, some initiative is required of the players. If a batter walks away from home, he’s abandoning his at-bat. It’s similar to the appeal (if a runner misses a base, or leaves too soon on a fly ball) the umpires, by rule, cannot call a player out unless the defensive team properly appeals the play (usually by having the ball and standing on the proper base). That onus is on the defensive players, and if they fail to appeal immediately and properly, the play stands. It works that way with batting out of order, also. The rules are different for high school level baseball.

    John CroninJohn Cronin3 ngày trước
  • Yeah 100 games a year IS enough. They need to cut it back.

    ScottScott3 ngày trước
  • It makes the "ball eight" line from Bob Uecker more real

    smart guy in a hoodiesmart guy in a hoodie4 ngày trước
  • JB: "In fact, it happens all the time" Me: "WHAT!?"

    Vasty AndrewsVasty Andrews5 ngày trước
  • This is why umpires in cricket have counters on them, and the scorers, third umpire or players can inform the on-field umpire/s of how many balls have been bowled in the over

    Jason SmithJason Smith7 ngày trước
  • When Alternate Dimension 3, turned to THE HELL DIMENSION WE NOW INHABIT, I about died

    Spilled InkSpilled Ink11 ngày trước
  • Umpires were legitimately more careful back then. I think sports illustrated wrote about this

    F TPF TP13 ngày trước
    • But it’s ridiculous to think that not one umpire made a mistake over a 20-year period, and then only one each decade thereafter

      Luca ShawLuca Shaw10 ngày trước
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  • 1:18 Nice.

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  • I live for Dorktown videos.... It makes my day everytime.

    Earthian 365Earthian 36516 ngày trước
  • If they could count to 4 they would have a real job contributing to society, not playing a bunch of pathetic school yard games.

    emporornuemporornu16 ngày trước
  • The Fox TV crew just gave the Cowboys a Washington touchdown and just silently fixed the counter after a commercial break like it didn't happen.

    PortallerPortaller16 ngày trước
  • So as far as we know there has never been a 3 strike non-strikeout.

    Kevin MoynihanKevin Moynihan18 ngày trước
  • "let's optimize the setting for maximum apathy" I need this as an inspirational wallpaper or something

    E_M_E_TE_M_E_T19 ngày trước
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    Sean ChambersSean Chambers19 ngày trước
  • That "I would know" is the only line I need to hear before I defend my master's thesis tomorrow. Thanks Jon!

    MadMudkipMadMudkip19 ngày trước
  • What's with the sawtooth pattern for game length at 20:00?

    Traz64Traz6420 ngày trước
  • 7:15 The best part

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  • I wonder what the age of these umpires are compared to the league average.

    Ryan OtterosRyan Otteros27 ngày trước
    • And their average time in the league.

      Ryan OtterosRyan Otteros27 ngày trước
  • The sentiment at the end is funny to me. You could definitely walk a few times but do it enough and you’re the Minecraft dream of baseball. We could come over your records and see that you’re walking a few times a season “by accident”. You’d have to be inhumanly selective about when you do it

    elitebirdselitebirds28 ngày trước
  • Idk why but "Hell Dimension we Now Inhabit is just so funny to me

    Professor7357Professor735728 ngày trước
  • can we get to the point

    cmo8888cmo888829 ngày trước
  • 1 in 69.... nice

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  • Just coming to this after falling victim to a 4 ball three strike count

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  • 21:00 that is a really distinct saw pattern on those times. I was initially very confused about that pattern, but after thinking about it for a minute, it's probably every day of the season where each day's games are sorted from shortest to longest. Would have been cool if you would've colored each day's games (or shaded the graph for each day or something) to make that a little more clear. Your charts are dope, tho. You make some of the prettiest data videos on youtube. Maybe THE prettiest.

    SquigglyPSquigglyPTháng trước
  • Bro did u make that in minecraft at the beginning LOL

    ScriptoMattScriptoMattTháng trước
  • Anyone know the music playing from 19:39 and onward?

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  • 1:18 NICE

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  • We live in the Matrix

    Tanner BroylesTanner BroylesTháng trước
  • I didn't even know this video was one of these til now

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  • Why are we so confused about this? Does it really need to be an entire video? Me any my friends loose count like this all the time at the local volleyball park? Nothing special.

    Joel TunneyJoel TunneyTháng trước
  • That Escobar at bat should have cost the psalary, and the replay official their jobs, as well as their salaries.

    Eric The ViewerEric The ViewerTháng trước
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  • So...can we just call this the Angel Hernandez Disorder and have medicine look a cure.

    SehwanDANNY CheonSehwanDANNY CheonTháng trước
  • I like the article from Tacoma where Wedge said 'yeah I knew it was 3-1 but I was gonna walk him anyways lmao'

    grit1grit1Tháng trước
  • Stewart was a famously awful hitter, a fact Yankees fans were aware of (and yelled at Girardi a lot about), as his at bats were frequently referred to as 'clearing the pitcher.' Naturally, people glued to their screens and readying their next pithy comment, we did notice the 2 strike strikeout, it just became a running gag that Stewart was so bad that only he could manage it. I think he doubled in his next at-bat on a pop up down the third base line.

    Ross McIntireRoss McIntireTháng trước
  • how did you get me to care about sports??

    Max GillilandMax GillilandTháng trước
  • Normality not normalcy

    Joshua MaddenJoshua MaddenTháng trước
  • The 2-2 count on pitch five was correct. If the catcher fails to catch the ball off the pitch, the ball is live and the batter can run to first. It's not a strike, it's not a ball, and since the batter didn't run his at bat continues at 2-1. The strike on pitch five brings the count, correctly, to 2-2. That umpire was the smartest person in the park.

    apostateCourierapostateCourierTháng trước
  • I saw Other Counting Failures, and the first thing that came to mind was " Oh, like 5 Downs?"

    Phil GoadPhil GoadTháng trước
  • 96 people had two strike strikeouts in little league

    George CastilloGeorge CastilloTháng trước
  • Rugby league has a tackle count. Imagine a team loosing a finals game because of the refs miss counting

    Hoopys South West AdventuresHoopys South West AdventuresTháng trước
  • The thing about the two-strike strikeout is it's actually still potentially within the rules. If the batter just walks away after strike two, and doesn't come back to the box, then they'll get hit with strike three and called out. So that's presumably 'officially' what happened on that one.

    Steph BensonSteph BensonTháng trước
  • I miss Jon Jay man.

    TobtakularTobtakularTháng trước
  • Idk why you guys go for a vaporwave esthetic but it's amazing and it works so well.

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  • How do we response when we are data people and betrayed by faulty data? Appeal to the mystery of it all.

    Neil JohnsonNeil JohnsonTháng trước
  • poor mariners

    scifitoiletscifitoiletTháng trước
  • Any thoughts on the pattern in the game-length graph? It's very repetitive: a short game is followed by a slightly longer game, and a longer one, and a longer one, for 5 or 6 games. Then you have a very long game, sometimes an extremely long game, and the next game is short. And repeat, for the entire season. Is it a days-of-the-week thing? A television-scheduling thing? What's going on? You guys are sports-stats dorks of the highest order, have you not thought about this?

    Martin BrummellMartin BrummellTháng trước
  • Kerry Wood’s 18th strikeout was on a 1-1 count but he did strike Brad Asmus out on 3 pitches but imagine if the ump used the 1-1 scoreboard count

    Quentin WrightQuentin WrightTháng trước
  • This just happened in the White Sox Brewers game. Inning 3, top of the inning, seconds batter, umpire didn’t recognize a pitch happened even happened. Ended in a 5 ball walk.

    Bossman2025Bossman2025Tháng trước
  • Yeah, of course Wei-ying Chen knew. Taiwanese people know how to count. That's why Andrew Yang's slogan is MATH.

    Sean SuSean SuTháng trước
  • these videos are so relaxing to watch

    Marcus CorneliousMarcus CorneliousTháng trước
  • as far as other sports, Josip Šimunić got 3 yellow cards before being sent off playing for croatia vs australia in the 2006 world cup. (You're only supposed to get 2 before getting sent off and your team being down a man) That one is notable because the main ref writes down who received cards when he gives them, so he screwed up not only counting but reading/notation. The croatian who got it grew up in australia so the ref wrote that an australian player got one of his cards because of the accent (instead of croatia #3 he wrote australia #3) I don't think there's a high uncountable amount of times this happened though because refs in soccer actually write things down instead of mentally keeping track of balls/strike like in baseball.

    Arsenalfanatic09Arsenalfanatic09Tháng trước
  • What software is this video made with?!? I used something like this to make an info graphic display and can’t remember the program/website! I’m sure this video is using the same thing I used to create my college presentations. If anyone knows, please tell me!

    Dylan HaseDylan HaseTháng trước
  • They definitely need to drastically shorten the season and the length of the game. Cut the season in half and shorten the game to 7 innings with a maximum of 10. Tie games don't count for pct calculations.

    Jason FischerJason FischerTháng trước
  • "we don't need a sweatshirt! You're in San Diego and I'm in hell!"

    Mark KromekeMark KromekeTháng trước
  • Rewatching just bc

    Mephen StessinaMephen StessinaTháng trước
  • The Yunel Escobar Rays at bat where the umps when into replay had me laughing so hard.

    Matthew ParkMatthew ParkTháng trước
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  • "5 full minutes in which nothing really happens" you, sir, are in no position to complain.

    TheBostonDanglerTheBostonDanglerTháng trước
  • Please please please, never stop making dorktown.

    Deathless GamerDeathless GamerTháng trước
  • I work in TV broadcasting and have run the bug (it’s not a chyron!) many times. It’s all manual and it’s definitely a tougher job than you think. Odds are when a mistake happens on the field with the count, the bug operator and production truck know it-but if it’s not caught on the field they’ll have to fall in line so as not to “appear” wrong.

    Chris J. NelsonChris J. NelsonTháng trước
  • On July 11, 2015 Mark Reynolds homered against the Pirates while having three strikes.

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  • Great content and analysis, love this.

    Steve ParishSteve ParishTháng trước
  • What I have learnt from this video: Even baseball PLAYERS cannot stand to watch baseball

    Xavier BorgasXavier BorgasTháng trước
  • Thank god for people who pronounce asterisk right. I'm not a native English speaker and it still bugs me

    Angelos AnastasopoulosAngelos AnastasopoulosTháng trước
  • Talking about if any of these mess ups had any game altering implications around minute 21 has me thinking and suggesting a chart party where you analyze early season game/play implications that hypothetically had postseason affect.

    elliottthelegend1elliottthelegend1Tháng trước
  • Baseball the most boring sport in the world where somehow they're players keep making more money than any other sport.

    David PrevostDavid PrevostTháng trước
  • A different way of putting the math in the "too much baseball" section- let's say you watch literally nonstop baseball forever, 24 hours a day every day. While we're at it, let's assume every single game only runs 2 hours long, just a little longer than the fastest game ever played. Ignore the postseason. You would be able to watch every new game plus every game back to 2000 by 2046. Then remember that you have not yet seen a whole century plus worth of baseball yet.

    Jim CeliaJim CeliaTháng trước
  • "theres too much baseball" *me a blaseball fan* oh no

    Solahi FuefosSolahi FuefosTháng trước
  • Law Enforcement, even in sport, are just as corrupt.

    MMMmyshawarmaMMMmyshawarmaTháng trước
  • If you’re watching your pitcher throw 4 balls and not see a walk you ain’t talking

    Jason BerubeJason BerubeTháng trước
  • I think three yellow cards in a soccer match is pretty hilarious... And it happened in World Cup match too. Australia vs Croatia 2006

    jasta07jasta07Tháng trước
  • I very much enjoy that the plate appearance in question was Jon vs Alex.

    freeedrfreeedrTháng trước
  • VIworld has been recommending countless videos of why baseball needs to be fixed

    JacksonJacksonTháng trước
  • How can anyone keep count of 253 points in a basketball game? That is RIDICULOUS.

    MandM8181MandM8181Tháng trước
  • The soundtrack to this video makes it nearly unwatchable. That horrible beeping during the bit on the mariners made me want to die.

    snotts123456snotts123456Tháng trước
  • Being unable to count is an easy way to mess up. In "soccer", there have been instances in which the shot didn't even hit the goal, yet the referee awarded a goal anyways. I'm definitively aware of two instances in Germany, one in which the ball was shot into the goal through a hole in the side of the net and one in which it just simply rolled besides the goal and off into the great yonder of the stadium.

    Gregor MeisenGregor MeisenTháng trước
  • The ultimate "It's the principle of the thing" deep dive. Yet another video I never knew I needed.

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  • I think technically that two strike strikeout was ultimately the correct call. Pretty sure there is a MLB rule that states if the batter for whatever reason refuses to continue the plate appearance, it's chalked up as a strikeout at whatever the current count is. So theoretically there could be a one or even zero strike strikeout. Of course the sportsmanly thing to do if it's an honest mistake is to give the batter a heads up, but technically the correct call.

    Billy CalderBilly CalderTháng trước
  • What about the three-strike non-strikeout? I think your resources for tracking these events is going to struggle on that question. I bet they exist, but scorecards aren't going to be specific enough to guarantee that you've found one before going to the tape.

    Charles BelleCharles BelleTháng trước
  • So... Why people a watching this sport?

    Herpes SurvivorHerpes SurvivorTháng trước
  • during the 2011 season of the yankees which was the last season i watched and scored every game, im sure there was a game they got shafted and thr opposing team got a 3 ball walk

    CarimboHankyCarimboHankyTháng trước
  • When you're watching at home on TV, it's a lot easier to catch these mistakes, even during the 5-minute at-bats, because with each pitch, you're still so focused on the count and what will happen at the plate. The main problem with TV broadcasts is the stuff they do when they decide to stray away from the action, as you perfectly demonstrated with that San Diego clip. It's really easy to keep track of things when you're still looking at the plate, but when they cut to other random crap, the distraction can make you easily lose track. I personally HATE it when they do that crap, especially because there's plenty of time between batters and between frames to highlight whatever it is that the broadcast team wants to highlight. And in my opinion, cutting away in the middle of an at-bat is demonstrative of a bad broadcast.

    Adam BaldwinAdam BaldwinTháng trước

    Mike WymanMike WymanTháng trước
  • So this isn't Little League: the rules specifically require vigilance on the part of all players and there is a very explicit rule that if the batter gives himself up by going back to the dugout, he's out when he reaches the step. The ump is not permitted to be like, dude, it's only strike 2. If it's your kid's game, fine, be a good sport, but the pros are supposed to have the head on a swivel, baby!

    W. Kelley O'BrienW. Kelley O'BrienTháng trước
  • Ever read the part of the rule book about batting out of turn? It takes up what feels like 20 pages and harshly penalizes teams who accidentally mess up their lineup. Meanwhile, some guy walks on ball 3 and no one bats an eye...

    Benjamin HullBenjamin HullTháng trước
  • I had already hit the like button, but when you said you wanted the Yankees to go 0-162 every season, I really Really wanted to hit it again somehow.

    Artie FufkinArtie FufkinTháng trước
  • isn't it amazing that some pitchers cannot strike out a batter that isn't even bothering to swing

    Anthony KernichAnthony KernichTháng trước
  • 8:30 what the hell is that beeping noise that’s so annoying

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  • This is the best sports channel on VIworld.

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  • you should do collapse on the Texas Rangers

    Ethan MehlerEthan MehlerTháng trước